I still haven't seen anything that shows that the State of California doesn't maintain mineral rights to the waters of Drakes Estero. I still contend that it could be an obstacle to any attempt to convert it to full wilderness status because it might make it a "nonconforming use".

The other thing is that Senator Feinstein's legislation does create an express permission for the Secretary of the Interior to extend the reservation of use. The NPS may have their own policies in place (which do not necessarily carry the full force of the law), but it would seem that they also have to contend with the law.

I'm frankly a bit sorry that I couldn't make it to the open hall they had in the East Bay. Unfortunately I couldn't make it even though it was close to home. I heard these meetings included various opinions pro and con.

I have been enjoying the Point Reyes area since Easter Week of 1972. Those trips always include bbqed oysters, that I make sure come from the estuary... I love the idea of fresh seafood coming not only from the local area, but being raised in pristine non polluted area near a wilderness area. This makes wonderful and tasty feeling, that has kept me going there year after year.
What makes me mad is the voracious National Park service and misplaced eco warriors trying to take over more and more land, creating huge bureaucracy and layer after layer of Federal employees all at the tax payers expense..while at the same time they try to limit peoples enjoyment of the land and seashore. We have a clause in the laws of a free people in this United States, called "Grandfathered in" - use now for it was never more
appropriate. In fact since the long running free enterprise entrepreneurs at the oyster farm have been there since WW2 it should be Great-Grandfathered In!

Come on people the farm is causing disturbance to the Seals? What joke, nothing disturbs these creatures- they are prolific and have massed enormous populations - they need no protections at all -especially from an oyster farm , my goodness, talk about a compatible commercial business. I am sure the reason a lot of those seals are there - is they are robbing and poaching lots of the oyster farms stock..and an in any other circumstances, if the farmer sustains loses from wildlife - he could apply for a depredation permit and eliminate a few of the pack..to restore a more balanced ecosystem.
Its only when well intentioned people propelled by a unbalanced sense of good - trying to overcompensate for what they think is right for the animals, and leave humans out of the equalization - then those misguided souls, partner up with the federal employees to form a wall of fascism that is way out of control..We need to cut the funds back on the National Park Service and the monstrous bureaucracy that is devouring our public lands locking it up for only a narrow segment of our societies thinking...

A new vision need to take place to rid of us of the myopic one sided view that 'man is bad all animals are good'. Restore a sane balance of both. Let man interact and commingle with specialty groups, see the two as part of the whole, not one at the expense of the other, this attitude is very draconian - and will only cause greater and greater clashes of the far eco left and what is truly right for man and beast
"let my oysters go" This is a microcosm of how the Fed/Eco extremist want to push private entrepreneurs around destroy his business and gobble up more land just for the sake of feeding the the many layers of federal bureaucracy .

I say fire them all and put there jobs up for bid! Place the NPS in a performance/achievement basis get promoted for placing more land in the fair and multiple use for ALL Americans, not just the eco-freaking kayakers in their purple wetsuits.
Bring back some sanity, give this guy a 99 year lease and get back to enjoying pollution free seafood from an awesome area of the planet.
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ps could not help showing you the bias and distortion on the matter
quote:
A big decision at Point Reyes National Seashore could strike at the core values of our national parks. To protect the West Coast’s only marine wilderness or to commercialize it –
Framing the subject like it's 'either or' and insinuating that "commercializing" would mean that nasty free enterprise would take over the marine wilderness, that car washes, sand and gravel pits, recycling batteries from hybrid cars would cause run off in to the estuary..fear tactic, fear mongering, blatant bias, propaganda, they have pulled out all the stops on this battle...disgustingly transparent, be ashamed Mr. Desai very ashamed !

Neal Desai:
As I responded before to another commenter: Oysters can be and are grown elsewhere (they are grown at Tomales Bay only a few miles away), but this is our only chance on the West Coast to create a marine wilderness, allowing restoration of the natural processes and resources.

Certainly they can be raised elsewhere, but the waters of Drakes Estero are considerably more nutrient rich. Oysters grow considerably faster and have a quality that I haven't found from any oyster I've tried from Tomales Bay. Tomales Bay also suffers from bacterial spikes every time there are heavy rains. When there are heavy rains, local oyster purveyors that use oysters from Tomales Bay either get them from DBOC or have them shipped (with the additional fuel consumption) from places like Washington or British Columbia. DBOC has more production than all of the Tomales Bay oyster farms combined. To eliminate DBOC would mean that oyster lovers in the area would have to increasingly turn to far flung suppliers, which presents a substantial increase in carbon use.

I've participated in discussions on the Drakes Bay Oyster Farm on this and many other forums. It's been my opinion that a wilderness designation might be nice, but that the ultimate health of the Drakes Estero ecosystem isn't going to come from a full wilderness designation, but from sound management practices. I don't think it helps to demonize the oyster farm for mistakes that they made; they've generally been model stewards of the land and waters (with a few mistakes along the way) - especially compared to the previous owner. The previous owner probably took the best deal he could, since the NPS typically uses the threat of eminent domain to pretty much force a sale.

I love Point Reyes. It holds a special place in my heart, and the oyster farm is part of it. One of these days, I want to be able to take my kid on a visit to the lighthouse to watch the whale migration, maybe a short hike on the Chimney Rock Trail, followed by a trip to the oyster farm for his first raw oyster. I really wished that I could have made it to the open house in Berkeley to make my feelings known.

as a former harbor seal moitor at prns, one of the sites i monitored on a regular basis was the drakes bay site. One of the site questions dealt with preceived disturbances, ranging from a heads up display to flushing, during a period of ~10 yaers i only observed two incidences that could be attributed to drakes bay oyster farm, by comparison tidal sand drifts opened up a large portion of one of the primary pull out sites to the south allowing several coyotes and at least one bobcat to find and completely disrupt the site, inaddition one of the more common disturbaces was plane overflights, several on lease to the nps. at another site, dp, an immature elephant seal caused the site to be abandoned for several years. where did the harbor seals go, they migrated to adjacent sites and retuned when the preceived threat was gone. pt reyes is not a wilderness area the land has been cultived and manipulated for thousands of years, there is evidenceof man made fires going back thousands of years, long before the current dairy and oyster farms were established. the lush green hills would have revered back to coyote brush if the dairy cattle didn't control it. the tule elk were reintroduded into park and are now becoming more widely dispursed and are responsible for the ruturn of the cougar. a ggod part of the problem can be laid at the feet of the park administration and the gov't, they are trying to create a wilderness in the middle of a thriving urban area without consideration for the previous business's and envirronment. leave the oyster farm along, control the agricultural waste flowing into the bay, harbor seals are being used for polital reacalloungsons---let's sit back and just enjoy their behavior

to find the site and completely disrupte the colony

Just thought I might add something to an old debate.....

Former legislators back Point Reyes oyster company's claims
http://www.marinij.com/ci_18672190

Three former California legislators have taken a stand in favor of allowing Marin County's largest oyster farm to continue operating within the Point Reyes National Seashore beyond the expiration of its permit in 2012.

Former Assemblyman William T. Bagley and former Congressmen John L. Burton and Paul N. "Pete" McCloskey Jr. — all of whom helped establish Point Reyes as a national park — assert that Congress had always intended to allow the former Johnson's Oyster Co. to remain in operation.

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The three legislators expressed their views Thursday in a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose National Park Service is conducting an environmental review of the Drakes Bay Oyster Co.

The letter includes an extensive series of documents from the legislative record in support of the authors' assertions.
These include a 1961 feasibility study of the proposed national park that declared "existing commercial oyster beds and an oyster cannery at Drakes Estero ... should continue under national seashore status because of their public values"; and a 1974 letter from the Sierra Club that argued "the water area can be put under the Wilderness Act even while the oyster culture is continued — it will be a prior existing, non-conforming use."

Of course I mention this article here because of who the Marin I-J interviewed:

"The body of Congress that authored the law made it clear that the oyster factory was supposed to expire in 2012," said Neal Desai, a spokesman for the National Parks Conservation Association. "The legislation provided no exemption for the company."

Here's some video from the Bay Area's ABC affilate:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/assignment_7&id=8325489

Opponents say the state has already come down on their side, relinquishing its rights to the estero and therefore it has no say in the future of the oyster farm. They provided letters from the California Department of Fish and Game to the National Park Service as proof the oyster farm has to go.

"The state says the primary jurisdiction, the primary management of Drake's Estero, is with the National Park Service," National Parks Conservation Association spokesperson Neal Desai said.

They interpret the letters to say that the Department of Fish and Game has rejected its right to manage all operations in the estero.

Kevin Lunny, the owner of Drake's Bay Oyster Company says that makes no sense.

"The state of California retains the rights to continue shellfishing as demonstrated by the leases that have been paid to the state of California for the past 40 years since the seashore was established," Lunny said.

ABC7 checked with John McCammon, director of the California Department of Fish and Game. It's his signature on one of the letters. He says the state wants to keep the oyster operation. It brings in tax money, keeps a food source local and is good for the economy.

"We don't see any interest in the state's interest, point of view, for it to have to go," McCammon said.

McCammon says the environmental groups are interpreting the letters incorrectly. The state currently does have jurisdiction over the estero. The letters were in response to a request by the National Park Service to clarify what happens after 2012 and only if the farm's lease was not renewed.

The core mission statement of NPS is flawed, agenda based and anti-nature (humans) besides eliminating one more perfectly positive activity engaging the interaction of people and a natural process providing a native renewable resource that actually does very good things in the environment.  Quit being sissies and get real (refreshing:).