What a clear, factual historical perspective Dr. Runte provides on baseline principles behind public land, air and scenic vistas preservation. Only vigilant public owners of our public lands can protect them from commercial exploitation by whomever is chasing a buck.
Just because "a tree looks dead" does not give anyone the authority, (other than a park employee designated to do so), the right to cut down trees within the park. Whether they thought the trees were dead or not is not the issue. The fact is, this was a criminal act. The person(s) who did this damage needs to be held responsible for what they have done.
Jan 13th - 11:03am |
Blown away
I cannot believe the callousness of that statement. Apparently if a puppy pees on the floor, your nose must be rubbed in it before you "believe".
Jan 13th - 04:13am |
kcs503
@ecbuck. I don't like the government shutdown and I did get my Democrats to fund the Park Service. It was passed by the House of Representatives this last week. Regretfully your best boy, Senator McConnell, refused to allow it to come to a vote in the Senate where I am sure both my Democrats and your Republicans would have passed it.
Jan 12th - 19:39pm |
Redrock
You don't cut down, burn, scratch your name in rock, destroy anything in a park.
Unbelievable.
Jan 12th - 18:12pm |
expat
In the chaotic aftermath of 2011 earthquake & tsunami, Japanese citizens still maintained societal cohesion & community mores. In times of desperation, respect for one another extended in such ways that not even vending machines were raided. I can't imagine Americans acting anywhere close to that level of dignity.
Jan 12th - 16:21pm |
Just Pete
@Submitted by Rick B. on January 9, 2019 - 3:19pm.
"Cutting down a tree for firewood? In what park would that be legal?"
That would be ANY park. Joshua Trees are not firewood. They don't grow fast and they are yucca. That was probably a 150 year old Joshua tree. Sadly I can believe so many tools do things like this. Human nature to do irrational acts of destruction.
Jan 12th - 15:21pm |
Mike447
That tree wasn't even cut down. You can tell its been weathered since it fell and that wouldn't happen in a few days. There are no tire marks or even recent footprints around it. The tree is still there showing the didn't cut it down for fire wood. And the story says they only went around gates to get back to the road that was blocked.
y_p_w--
I was trying to add facts to the thread. That last comment was pointing out to Luke & others that while you can't go out and dig one up, Joshua Trees can and are used for landscaping in Las Vegas and Phoenix as well as across the Mojave Desert, where they're much more appropriate than a lawn.
Jan 12th - 11:39am |
Stephen
Most true comment ever!
Jan 12th - 10:37am |
Anonymous
Agreed. And even after it's dead, it continues to be a shelter for smaller animals.
Jan 12th - 09:05am |
Lookclose
This is vandalism alright, but when did it happen? Not in the last few weeks, that's for sure. There are no visible wood chips from the cutting and the exposed inner wood from the cut is bleached out from the sun. I know it's the hot desert sun, but this tree has been laying there for a while. Fake news trying to blame this vandalism on the government shutdown.
Jan 12th - 08:19am |
Double Tree Hugger
i don't see any evidence of being "cut". It wasn't a chainsaw because it's so ragged and no chips on the ground or axe marks on the trunk. Looks like it blew over and fell like dead trees eventually will do.
Jan 12th - 08:02am |
Itch
Note to the uneducated on this specific park...while all National Parks only desinate a certain area for camping and/or wilderness permits, this particular park is very unique in that the ground floor of this desert is living.
Jan 12th - 02:47am |
Dean
Professional Joshua "tree" logger? That's actually hilarious.
Jan 12th - 01:38am |
Loren Crow
Whewre are all those "good guys with guns" when they're needed? Environmental terrorism, is what this is.
tomp2:
You can't take one from the park, or from most of the BLM California Desert Protected Area, but you can buy them legally in many nurseries, and collect seeds in areas around Las Vegas.
Jan 11th - 23:27pm |
Dave
That tree is dead and fell over on it's own. Professional logger 15 years experience.
Bryan and all the other "experts" who think there should be sawdust or wood chips or that's a dead decayed trunk--
Jan 11th - 19:31pm |
Luke Gentle
I totally agree. Rules are for everyone. I think one of those trees would look good in my front yard. Is it okay for me to dig one up and transplant it. Dead or not, keep your hands off!
Jan 11th - 18:36pm |
Ted
I saw that Amazon Smile can be used to support your efforts and I made use of your add on your page to learn more and try to help a bit. Many Thanks and a lot of Love to you for all of your continued efforts!
Jan 11th - 18:33pm |
Ted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia Please learn more about these trees. No one needs to be making excuses for these bad acts.
ReeseGee:
Perhaps in a park where the trees are an endangered species?
The trees themselves are a protected national landmark. That means anyone desecrating any of the trees has committed a federal crime.
Jan 11th - 18:10pm |
Kelly Burgess
Where are the wood chips ?
Jan 11th - 17:51pm |
ReeseGee
Does it really look like that tree was cut for firewood? No.
Jan 11th - 17:46pm |
ReeseGee
Perhaps in a park where the trees are an endangered species?
The trees themselves are a protected national landmark. That means anyone desecrating any of the trees has committed a federal crime.
Jan 11th - 17:44pm |
Alicia F
Does the park (or any of the CA Natl Parks) need more volunteers to help with clean-up? If so, how do I get involved? I live in Los Angeles and would be up for helping over the 3-day weekend.
Jan 11th - 16:45pm |
Dea
I can't believe that people are defending cutting down vulnerable species in a fragile environment. America has too many stupid, horrible people. Btw, Joshua 'trees' are not actually trees. They're yuccas that take a long time to get that big.
Jan 11th - 16:03pm |
Nancy
Those trees are really old as old as the park. Have a little respect.
Occasional visitor:
To y_p_w
I've been to over 40 natl parks in the West (mostly) and I have yet to see any NP regulation/policy to allow picking up firewood. Period! Perhaps you should get aquainted with the policies. You must be confusing with prov parks in Canada > totally different set up and rules.
Jan 11th - 15:05pm |
ed johnson
sorry sir but this tree fell over due to natural decay or as we call it dry rot
Jan 11th - 14:39pm |
Bo Dawson
Trump being President has nothing to do with what these idiots are doing.
Jan 11th - 14:39pm |
Anonymous
.... Umm.... All of them.
Jan 11th - 14:28pm |
Anonymous
EVERY PARK
Jan 11th - 14:18pm |
diamondsouled
Not wood chips? No saw marks, no ax marks? Pushed over?
Jan 11th - 13:58pm |
JTNPborderresident
And for those arguing that this down tree looks like it was already dead, you obviously have no real knowledge of joshua trees. Their trunks are plenty funky! I've had trees on my property that I thought had given up the ghost only to have them bloom and offshoots grow from that.
Jan 11th - 13:50pm |
JTNPborderresident
For those remarking about how tidy the campsite looks in the photo and that that somehow makes it okay to camp anywhere within park boundaries, I ask you:
Jan 11th - 13:39pm |
Chill
Every one
Jan 11th - 13:04pm |
maxine
So the park is operating witth open borders? There shouldn't be any problem with that. All are welcome.
Jan 11th - 12:55pm |
AnnieWear
as an arborist, I can assure you that Joshua tree was not dead.
Jan 11th - 12:53pm |
SSP
How bout pushed over by a vehicle ? Thats what I see here. As per the campsite : It doenst matter how 'nice' it looks , it is in an out of bounds area where it is illegal to camp. There have been many instances of people driving into designated Wilderness areas and camping trashing the area i.e leaving garbage etc .
Jan 11th - 12:51pm |
MJ
Looks like we to build a wall around the park...
Jan 11th - 12:46pm |
ccinoc
It says Joshua trees (plural) were cut down to make roads (plural). Dismissing the story because one picture of one tree (appearing "dead" to some) is ridiculous. Making new roads into protected areas is not excusable either.
Jan 11th - 12:07pm |
Silver
Thats no excuse, the rule specifically say you cannot take or harm any plants or wildlife. This kind of behavior is inexcusabl. I live 45 minutes from the park and love going there for all irs natural beaut, people who do these things have no respect for the land.
Jan 11th - 12:02pm |
Paul L
And how does that justify the illegal activity - not to mention just downright egocentric stupidity that flies in the face of why the park exists in the first place...to enjoy the natural habitat, not destroy it regardless of its condition.
The San Francisco Chronical did a nice writeup on this complicated issue asserting that all sides carry some blame including how the NPS and the US Patent and Trademark Office failed to protect these special names.
I do not think at the time that any southener would have told a union soldier where his arm would be. After a year or so in the ground it would not really be visible.
Can anyone confirm or debunk a story I heard years ago concerning the setting aside of the Congaree swamp as The Congaree National park via a ploy to make officials believe there was possibly an Ivory Billed Woodpecker in the future park area. I have heard this story a couple of times over the years. Respond to; [email protected]
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