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In this week’s show, we talk with Toby O’Rourke, the president and CEO of Kampgrounds of America, about a study KOA commissioned to gauge Americans’ interests in returning to campgrounds on and near public lands as the fight with the coronavirus pandemic continues. The findings are quite interesting and point to renewed interest in camping as a recreational pursuit. After that conversation, we tempt you to explore the dark side of the National Park System. No, not the night skies overhead, but rather the subterranean world of Jewel Cave National Monument and Wind Cave National Park, two parks in South Dakota separated by fewer than 20 miles as the crow flies.

:02 National Parks Traveler introduction
:12 Episode introduction with Kurt Repanshek
1:35 Oh Susanna - Grant Geissman - The Sounds of the Grand Canyon
1:54 Kampgrounds of America CEO Toby O'Rourke discusses their Covid-19 survey of campers.
12:22 The Offering - Bill Mize - The Sounds of the Great Smoky Mountains
12:28 National Parks Traveler coronavirus edition promotion
12:41 Washington’s National Park Fund promotion
13:16 Friends of Acadia promotion
13:45 KOA camping discussion continues
25:32 Blue Ridge Parkway Foundation promotion
25:57 Grand Teton National Park Foundation promotion
26:30 North Cascades Institute promotion
26:57 A Tale of Two Caves: The Dark Side Of Jewel Cave National Monument And Wind Cave National Park
35:05 Escalante - Tim Heintz - The Sounds of Peaks, Plateaus and Canyons
36:12 Episode closing
36:35 Orange Tree Productions promotion
37:14 National Parks Traveler footer

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